This Toxic Trifecta for Auto Loans is Fueling #Carmageddon

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Subprime Auto-Loan Backed Securities from 2015 on track to be Worst Ever.

Institutional investors that manage other people’s money grabbed subprime auto-loan backed securities because of their slightly higher yields. These bonds are backed by subprime auto loans that have been sliced and diced and repackaged and stamped with high credit ratings. But those issued in 2015 may end up the worst performing ever in the history of auto-loan securitizations, Fitch warned.

And then there are those issued in 2016. They haven’t had time to curdle.

The 2015 vintage that Fitch rates is now experiencing cumulative net losses projected to reach 15%, exceeding the peak loss rates during the Financial Crisis.

Fitch Ratings’ Auto Loan Annualized Net Loss Index shows the strong seasonality, with either May or June forming the low point each year and the winter months forming the peaks. A terrible trend took off in 2014. The winter peak last year occurred in November with a net annualized loss of 10.9%. The latest data point is for April, at 7.8%, up from 7.4% last year. The index peaked in February 2009 at 13.1%. The trend is pointing that way (via Fitch Ratings ABS):

Fitch analysts Hylton Heard and John Bella Jr. wrote in the report, cited by Bloomberg:

The 2015 vintage has been prone to high loss severity from a weaker wholesale market and little-to-no equity in loan contracts at default due to extended-term lending, a trend which was not as apparent in the recessionary vintages.




So let’s see.

Negative equity hits all-time record. The average negative equity in vehicles that were traded in for new vehicles during Q1 2017 has reached $5,195 per trade, the highest ever, according to Edmunds data, cited by AutoWeek. The percentage of trade-ins with negative equity has surged to 32.8%, also the highest ever! Average negative equity exceeded $4,000 in Q3 2013 and hasn’t looked back.

This negative equity in the trade is then rolled into the new loan, thus increasing the negative equity in that vehicle from the first second, which sends net losses soaring in the event of default.

Why is negative equity such a growing phenomenon? Because of the toxic trifecta in the auto industry, now happening.

Lengthening loan terms. The average new-vehicle loan term in Q1 2017 reached a record of 69 months, up from 64 months in 2011, according to Edmunds data. Terms between 73 and 84 months (7 years!) accounted for a record of 32.1% of all new-vehicle loans in Q4 2016, up from 29% a year earlier. Among used-vehicle loans, they accounted for 18%, up from 16% a year earlier.

The value of a new vehicle declines sharply over the first few years. But the loan doesn’t amortize at this pace and doesn’t catch up with the dropping value of the vehicle until the later stages of the loan. As many consumers like to get a new vehicle every few years, these longer terms add to the negative equity at trade-in time.

Rising transaction prices. Vehicle prices have surged in general. And consumers buy more expensive models because low interest rates and longer loan terms make this possible by keeping the payments down.

Falling used-vehicle values. The seasonally adjusted Used Vehicle Price Index by J.D. Power Valuation Services (formerly NADA Used Car Guide) in May has declined for the 10th month in a row, now down over 13% from its peak in mid-2014 and at the lowest level since September 2010 [Used Vehicle Trade-in Values Sink, Hit New Vehicle Sales].

These factors, along with aggressive lending, propelled new vehicle sales to new records in 2015 and (barely) in 2016. But now the blowback has started. The net effect going forward translates into greater losses for lenders and investors in case of default after the car is repossessed and sold, and ultimately – now happening – lower sales for automakers.

Fitch isn’t alone in warning about soaring defaults and net losses of subprime auto-loan backed securities. Moody’s also warned. And S&P Global Ratings pointed out recently that net losses even on prime auto-loan backed securities have risen at the fastest pace since 2008.

For now, downgrades of subprime auto-loan backed securities are still modest. Ratings agencies cite structural enhancements, such as the slices that take the first loss and that have been retained by the lender. Investors that bought the highly rated slices might be spared initial losses. If losses continue to surge, even highly rated slices are starting to take losses.

But auto lenders that sold the subprime securities are starting to get hit. Fitch warns particularly about those that have sprung up since the Financial Crisis and have specialized in subprime auto loans, using looser underwriting standards. Lending by these weakly capitalized lenders has grown at magnificent rates in recent years. Some of those lenders have specialized in “deep-subprime” auto loans. And those lenders might be at risk.

And at least one of them, Santander Consumer USA, the top subprime auto lender in the US, verified income on only 8% of the loans, according to Moody’s. So here we go again. Read… Liar Loans Dog Subprime Auto-Loan-Backed Securities




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  38 comments for “This Toxic Trifecta for Auto Loans is Fueling #Carmageddon

  1. Jon
    Jun 13, 2017 at 1:15 pm

    Even with these slew of bad news.. I only see people spending a lot of money on housing and other discretionary items..

    I only see real estate prices going up every day along with stocks…
    Looks like the reality is detached from these numbers…

    I am not sure if the so called bad conditions on the ground would ever match the real estate prices and stock market..

    • TJ Martin
      Jun 13, 2017 at 2:10 pm

      Well .. what I’m seeing from my vantage point is housing prices rising despite consumer confidence and activity waning .. with the usual upgrade/downsize customer holding on to what they’ve got not wanting to deal with an insane real estate market . What I’m also once again seeing is an epidemic of Contract Limbo ( past 90 days ) with many a contract crashing and burning and the home being placed back on the market ( FYI Housing is not discretionary spending )

      I’m also seeing auto dealers inventory soar despite paying customers not buying . . with the few that do only doing so after taking every incentive the dealer can offer thereby negating any real profit . Not to mention hard goods [ appliances etc ] sales stalled at best … falling into the abyss at worst .. the demise of Brick & Mortar etc – et al – ad nauseam

      Add to that restaurants both chain , middle and high end activity on the wane .. and a whole lotta people well heeled and otherwise holding on to their $$$ ..

      .. and you’ve got the toxic mix which is the present day reality . Stock and Housing prices on the rise with nothing of substance shoring up the foundation … leading to an eventual topple / bubble / crash

      When .. not if .. being the key word

    • Frederick
      Jun 13, 2017 at 3:55 pm

      Look on Zillow and you will notice a trend all over the east coast anyway Sellers reducing their asking prices and some overpriced homes listed for 700 or 800 days with no action Things are starting to deteriorate in housing in many areas anyway That’s my observation

    • Naet G
      Jun 13, 2017 at 4:54 pm

      The only thing I would say is that a lot of people thought the same thing 10 years ago.

      • John
        Jun 13, 2017 at 7:28 pm

        That’s true but 10 years ago nobody would have imagined central banks printing trillions from nothing and going ZIRP with interest rates. Their only trick for the next collapse will be printing trillions from nothing and handing it out to the average schmuck in hopes that they will use it to continue the madness. Not likely to end in a pretty scenario this time.

    • Kf6vci
      Jun 13, 2017 at 4:55 pm

      What about the recent fall in payroll and other taxes?

      Rents are down in formerly high priced cities while lagging towns report record rents. Something’s up and all I know is that there will be CHANGE as things cannot remain as they are right now.

  2. 2banana
    Jun 13, 2017 at 1:37 pm

    Everything is in a bubble.

    Stocks, housing, autos, tech, crypto currency, private debt, government debt, student debt, pensions, etc.

    Even one of these bubbles would have been unimaginable 20 years ago.

    Today they are everywhere. And common. And barely raise an eyebrow.

    How does it all end?

    In misery, bankruptcy and ruin. And then in war.

    • Bruce Adlam
      Jun 13, 2017 at 2:38 pm

      Fast rising debt meet rising interest rates the fuse is lit and the clock is ticking .this will not end well. With interest rates so low it’s taking longer to get there but it will get there.I think Deep down the fed knows it.

      • Kent
        Jun 13, 2017 at 3:56 pm

        Respectfully, I disagree. Interest rates rise naturally when economic growth picks up based on strong fundamentals. I don’t believe economic growth will ever pick up again. And I mean ever. So interest rates will always stay low.

        With low growth, wages must stagnate. The very wealthy do not like their own wealth stagnating. So their income must come from the weaker classes and flows into assets (stocks and property).

        If my theory is true, this is just the new normal. It is the economy adjusted for permanently lower growth rates.

        • Kf6vci
          Jun 13, 2017 at 4:59 pm

          I don’t know. But the FED might not have much room to lower rates (from this level) when the SHTF for real. We have had 7 good years and I’m dreading the coming 7 bad years.

          War to distract from the economic messes?

        • Discuss
          Jun 13, 2017 at 5:13 pm

          Low rates resulted in the weak economic growth we’ve experienced since 2001. Rising borrowing costs drive economic growth higher.

        • andy
          Jun 14, 2017 at 12:34 am

          Your theory? Weren’t Japanese already doing it for like 20 years now?

        • Kent
          Jun 14, 2017 at 9:08 am

          @andy,

          Yes. And it is the exact same problem. Think the growth of the auto industry. Created millions of jobs. Americans could buy expensive cars and they would pay for themselves because you could drive to a better job. And now you didn’t have to live in the city. So you got 10’s of millions of suburban homes built which created 10’s of millions of jobs.

          There are no drivers of wealth like that today. And nothing on the horizon. Japan has the same problem, as does Europe. Only emerging countries have those opportunities. But they too often also have incompetent governance.

    • Frederick
      Jun 13, 2017 at 3:57 pm

      2banana Sadly you are spot on When it hits it will be brutal and that’s why I’m already out of both housing and equities

    • Frederick
      Jun 13, 2017 at 11:37 pm

      Banana NOT gold and silver

    • Mike Casey
      Jun 15, 2017 at 12:07 am

      Couldn’t agree more – the number of bubbles are so unbelievable that people have just detached from reality (and greed is running amok). Welcome to a full-force concert on the Titanic.

  3. TJ Martin
    Jun 13, 2017 at 2:15 pm

    So has Santander supplanted Ally ( formerly GMAC Financial ) as the leader of the automotive subprime loan pack ? Or is there some alliance there [ pun not intended ] I haven’t heard about ?

    I’m asking because I keep reading and hearing what few sales Mercedes , Audi and BMW lose to GM ( Cadillac ) are almost always due to them turning loans down that Cadillac via Ally is more than glad to grab onto

    • Jun 13, 2017 at 3:36 pm

      Ally is a big subprime lender, but it doesn’t nearly have the problems that Santander has.

      Also, Ally no longer belongs to GM. GM’s captive finance company is GM Financial. So if your car loan gets approved at Ally, it should not make any difference whether its a Cadillac or a BMW, given equivalent amounts.

  4. Jim Graham
    Jun 13, 2017 at 3:25 pm

    The article states:

    And at least one of them, >>> Santander Consumer USA, <<< the top subprime auto lender in the US, verified income on only 8% of the loans, according to Moody’s. So here we go again.

    Sooooo – seems to me that the Spanish bank – Spanish Santander Group – has been putting some of their money into the US market…?

    Better and SAFER returns here than there are in the EU? Or so they thought??

    • Frederick
      Jun 13, 2017 at 4:00 pm

      Nothing safer about US subprime market You are correct there. Here in Turkey people rarely borrow to buy real estate or cars so the markets for those things are much less volatile

    • Jun 13, 2017 at 4:00 pm

      Yeah, Santander Consumer USA was partially spun off via an IPO in the US in 2014. These US-traded shares have crashed 56% since July 2015 (when the sun started shining on some of the issues at its US operations).

  5. Kent
    Jun 13, 2017 at 4:04 pm

    “Ratings agencies cite structural enhancements, such as the slices that take the first loss and that have been retained by the lender.”

    So Santandar owns the ugly tranches? That can’t be good for their creditors.

  6. IdahoPotato
    Jun 13, 2017 at 4:06 pm

    “The value of a new vehicle declines sharply over the first few years. But the loan doesn’t amortize at this pace and doesn’t catch up with the dropping value of the vehicle until the later stages of the loan. As many consumers like to get a new vehicle every few years, these longer terms add to the negative equity at trade-in time.

    Rising transaction prices. Vehicle prices have surged in general. And consumers buy more expensive models because low interest rates and longer loan terms make this possible by keeping the payments down.”

    Excuse my naivete, but are you saying that most people who trade in do so for a NEW vehicle as opposed to a used one? That makes zero sense to me.

    In the past 20 years, I have bought 2 cars, both used. I sold my Acura to a poor kid out of high school for a pittance at 190k miles. The other is still in use. Why would someone take a loan to buy a NEW car? Is there some secret that eludes me?

    • Junglejim
      Jun 13, 2017 at 4:54 pm

      “Is there some secret that eludes me?”

      As the Fed has said over and over again, if you are not in debt, you are not doing your part to support the recovery. sarc/

    • Duncan Hienz
      Jun 13, 2017 at 5:15 pm

      “Is there some secret that eludes me?”

      Yes. Age and experience.

    • Old Farmer
      Jun 13, 2017 at 6:05 pm

      Like IdahoPotato, I’m mystified as to why anyone with a functional car would want to trade it on a new one. It’s kind of like trading in your old wife on a new one–it can be very exciting for a while, but eventually that wears off, and you’re left with a lot of expenses (and I’ve noticed that men generally trade down). Better off keeping the old one.

    • Jun 13, 2017 at 6:18 pm

      In the US, there are about 17 million new vehicles sold every year (maybe wishful thinking for 2017) and about 41 million used vehicles. So yes, more people buy used, but they don’t keep them as long and trade more often, and the dollar amounts are a lot smaller.

    • R2D2
      Jun 13, 2017 at 9:18 pm

      Yes, the secrete is that my car is more expensive and shinier than yours.

      Just to give yo an example; there were 2 old Asian women who came to the Starbucks that I used to frequent. They used to sit near me so I could hear stuff that they talked about, and both were on government pension and discussed chapter 8, etc.; and both of these women had brand new Mercedes. Now, go figure, I make relatively good money, and I don’t even dream of buying a BMW, or Mercedes, and yet here are 2 old women on government pension, and they purchase Mercedes. People are that stupid, and of course the government free money, and low interest that basically shouts “If you actually work, and you are responsible, then you are an idiot” helps a lot.

      • Jon
        Jun 13, 2017 at 11:08 pm

        Don’t see them as stupid
        They’re smart.. they know tax payers monies available to them for bail out

        They are already on cushy govt pension funded by tax payer…

        People who are saving money are stupid..
        The more you leverage the smarter you are …
        I learnt this lesson …

        • Frederick
          Jun 13, 2017 at 11:41 pm

          That may be true until everything hits the fan Jon After that Not so much

        • 2017 Global Subprime
          Jun 14, 2017 at 3:51 am

          Just like the 10 million borrowers who were foreclosed on from 2007-2011 we’re “bailed out”?

          Yep. Brilliant.

    • william
      Jun 14, 2017 at 11:51 am

      Some people have zero dollars to cover repairs so they insist on owning cars under warranty. They’ve been burned in the past with $3k transmission or engine repairs then make a lifelong promise to never own a car out of warranty.

      Some people see a car as an extension of their wardrobe.
      I could go on….
      But there’s many reasons people get new cars. Yet the new car market is about the third the size of the used car market, if that makes you feel better.

  7. Mort
    Jun 13, 2017 at 5:21 pm

    As I continue to read story after story about the auto industry, auto finance, delinquencies, etc. I am wondering if the lenders actually try to collect these delinquent loans any more or if they just let them get to 60 days past due, electronically disable the vehicle and send some collection company aka ‘repo man’ out to get the car from the borrower.

    As an old-time (early ’80’s) GMAC auto loan collector, I made many, many thousands of delinquent loan calls and knocked on customer doors back then. The primary intent, in most cases, was to try to collect the loan current thus avoiding a repo and a very likely loss for the dealer (this was back in the days of recourse contracts whereby if a car was repo’d when the loan was under 90 days late, the dealer had to pay off the loan [e.g. GMAC], sell the car at the inevitable loss and eat that loss.)

    Many dealers back then were barely surviving (bad economy, high unemployment, sky high interest rates) and a month where they took more than a couple of repo losses might have put them out of business.

    So, as collectors, we were instructed to ‘work out’ of these problem loans as best we could to keep the customer in the car and avoid the repo for both the customer/borrower and the dealer. It required a lot of hand holding but as a supervisor used to remind us, it was ‘job security’ for us.

    Do banks and auto finance companies even collect loans any more, do they attempt to resolve these problems that resulted largely from their own poor lending practices or do they just say to hell with it, repo it, sell it, charge off the loss, file for a deficiency judgment against the borrower and then turn around and lend more money to the same borrower a year later for another new car, which starts the same process all over again? And again… and again …

    I just wonder how many of these delinquent situations could be salvaged with some collection/workout efforts by the lenders …

  8. RudiProtrudi
    Jun 13, 2017 at 5:51 pm

    I think used car prices are declining faster than anyone anticipated. When you load a new car with incentives, why buy used? I own a 2015 fully loaded Nissan Rogue SV – it was just shy of 30k two years ago. I took it to CarMax just to see what I could get for it. They offered me 12k.

    • Jun 13, 2017 at 6:26 pm

      Wow. I just priced one out on Kelley Blue Book, not knowing the details of your vehicle. I assumed “good” condition, 30,000 miles, 4×4, standard equipment, etc. Zip code in Oklahoma (to get a lower price than here in San Francisco). It gave me a “trade-in” range $14k – to 15.7k

      You can play with it here and put in the actual details: https://www.kbb.com/

      CarMax has a good feel for the market. They’re buying a lot of used vehicles at auctions and otherwise. I’ve had two good experiences selling vehicles to them. I wonder if they’re starting to get panicky about used car price declines, from what they’re seeing on the ground, not just in the monthly indices.

      • DH
        Jun 13, 2017 at 8:42 pm

        I bought a 2016 BMW X3 from Carmax at 45% off the original purchase price last month (still has manufacturer’s warranty.) In fact, the price fell a thousand bucks on their website so quickly that I had to show the salesman that the price online was different than the one on his screen when I went in to buy it. lol

  9. Rg
    Jun 13, 2017 at 10:02 pm

    Occasionally I drive cars for a local Ford dealership. The pay is very poor, but it gets me out of the house every couple of weeks and there is no pressure or cubicle-work involved. Anyway, I sometimes go with a group of other drivers to an local auction site to pick up cars the dealer has bought. It has a lot of repos. The last car I picked up for the dealer had a big, red Santander Consumer sticker on the front windshield. The guy at the exit gate peeled it off “because they’re not supposed to go out with the company’s sticker showing.” Needless to say it wasn’t the only red-stickered car in the lot. I wasn’t really paying attention, but I also saw other stickers like Chase.

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