Mortgage rates are higher in relationship to the 10-year Treasury yield than they were most of the time over the past 50 years. There are reasons.
By Wolf Richter for WOLF STREET.
The 30-year fixed mortgage rate tracks the 10-year Treasury yield but is higher. The amount by which it is higher – the spread – varies substantially. When the Fed bought mortgage-backed securities during QE, the purpose was to narrow the spread and thereby repress mortgage rates, and eventually they fell below 3%. Then the Fed started shedding these MBS during QT in mid-2022 and stepped away from the mortgage market entirely. Mortgage rates rose faster than the 10-year Treasury yield, and the spread widened substantially, shooting past 3.0 percentage points, the widest since 1986, but then started to narrow again.
But that narrowing process hiccupped. The average 30-year fixed mortgage rate rose to 6.83% per Freddie Mac’s weekly measure on Thursday, but the 10-year Treasury yield was at 4.33%, and the spread between them widened to 2.50 percentage points, the most since September 2024. Over the past five decades, there were not many years when the spread was this wide.
The 10-year Treasury yield has undergone some drama in recent weeks. It plunged from 4.77% on January 10 to 3.99% on April 3, including a 40-basis point plunge in the few days before April 3, and then the yield bounced back in a near-symmetrical manner, and on Thursday it settled at 4.33%, exactly where the effective federal funds rate (EFFR) is, which the Fed targets with its monetary policy rates.
The bond market got frazzled by the Fed’s 100-basis-points in rate cuts in late 2024 while inflation was re-accelerating, which triggered a bond selloff in late 2024 through early January, that had caused the 10-year yield to spike by 114 basis points from mid-September through mid-January, even as the Fed cut by 100 basis points. This taught the Fed – but not Trump – a lesson!
The Treasury market fears inflation more than anything, and it wants to be compensated for this expected future inflation by demanding higher yields. When it comes to inflation fears, the Treasury market is not to be trifled with.
Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent has been trying to manipulate down long-term Treasury yields to make funding in the economy for businesses and households less costly. His efforts have been fortified by the Fed’s more hawkish stance on inflation (the wait-and-see policy), which reduced the bond market’s inflation fears. Yields then declined in 2025 until they plunged too far and bounced back and now settled at 4.33%. But in a three-year view, the drama was just a blip:
During the 40-year bond bull-market, the 10-year Treasury yield zigzagged down from 16% in 1981 to 0.5% in mid-2021. When yields fall, bond prices rise, and a good time was had by all, but it’s over. It was followed by raging inflation in 2021 and 2022. While inflation has cooled from those levels, it continues to fester, and it started re-accelerating last fall. When bond market investors see and expect higher inflation over the term of what they’re buying, they demand higher yields to be compensated for it.
The average 30-year fixed mortgage rate rose to 6.83% (Freddie Mac). It has been above 6% since September 2022.
Historically, the average 30-year fixed mortgage rate didn’t drop to 5% until the Fed started QE in 2009, which included the purchases of massive amounts of MBS, which helped push down mortgage rates and was part of the Fed’s scheme of interest-rate repression and asset-price inflation. But then raging inflation broke out in 2021 and put an end to it.
The Fed and the spread. After shedding $2.24 trillion from its balance sheet through QT, the Fed has now slowed the pace of QT. But it has not slowed the pace of QT for MBS, only for Treasury securities. And that’s a key here.
MBS come off the balance sheet mostly through passthrough principal payments as mortgage payoffs (sales or refis) and principal portions of mortgage payments are forwarded to the holders of MBS, such as the Fed.
These passthrough principal payments have been running at about $15 billion a month for the past year. If mortgage rates drop a lot, the pace would speed up. The Fed has said many times in its official announcements that it plans to get rid of all its MBS. It stepped away from the MBS market in September 2022, and that market has been on its own ever since, unleashed from the Fed’s controlling fist.
Before QT started, the Fed held $2.74 trillion in MBS. QT has whittled that down to $2.19 trillion, and whatever comes off via passthrough principal payments comes off and goodbye.
But the Fed further slowed the pace of the Treasury securities roll-off to just $5 billion a month, starting in April. The Fed then reinvests the amounts that mature in excess of $5 billion a month by buying equivalent Treasury securities at Treasury auctions. So the Fed is again with both feet in the Treasury market, replacing a big part of its maturing securities with new securities.
And this asymmetry of leaving MBS yields, and thereby mortgage rates, entirely up to the market, while still meddling in the Treasury market has increased the spread between the 10-year Treasury yield and mortgage rates.
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Informed and smart. Typical Wolf Genius.
Powell is like all the activist judges
they hate Trump
so he is doing exact opposite what Trump wants
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this time I agree with Powell
I believe we need even HIGHER INTEREST rates to compensate for risk asset holders are taking
Powell is doing the right thing for the wrong reason. The 2 errors cancel each other out.
at least I’m getting 4% owner carry
with 65% down
Who is now the primary buyer of MBS? If the housing market collapses and we see more defaults, will we start seeing an even higher spread, now that the Fed is not involved? Will the Fed need to step right back in if MBS becomes junk?
why would mbs become junk? ultimately, even if the borrowers default, the government guarantees agency mbs.
NR,
Franz G is correct. This has completely changed since the financial crisis. Since then, the taxpayer is on the hook for the vast majority of the MBS and mortgages. The Fed won’t ever need to bail out banks over MBS and mortgages again, maybe for other reasons, but not MBS and mortgages.
The taxpayer (via Fannie Mae, Freddy Mac, Ginny Mae, VA, etc.) guarantees $9.3 trillion in MBS and is on the hook for them.
About $0.5 trillion in MBS are private label MBS (not government guaranteed), that investors (pension funds, insurers, bonds funds, etc.) are on the hook for. Banks don’t hold those.
Only about $4 trillion in mortgages are held directly (not securitized) by 8,000 or so banks, credit unions, and thrifts, and they’re on the hook for those.
Can you explain further? If a home owner defaults, the tax payer is on the hook (Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac guarantees) ? Are these how MBS are structured?
If a homeowner defaults, the taxpayer makes the payment to the MBS holders. At some point, the defaulted mortgage is either cured, or the home is sold and the mortgage is paid off, or the home is foreclosed on and sold. In none of these cases does that MBS holder bear any losses. The taxpayer does.
Fannie Mae and the other GSEs charge fees on every mortgage they securitize (which the borrower pays), so they make money on this, lots of money, during good times. And in bad times, they have to pay.
Wolf,
You have been mentioning this in prior articles too. But this article and comment clearly lays it out. It cant be more clear than this. I am sure many are going to be stumped after reading this comment.
As tax-payer, we are on hook for mortgages of overvalued homes (9 Trillion) . I have seen mortgages with only 5%-10% down payment in 2021 and in few months they were refinanced as Property prices soared. 20% or more equity added just in matters of few months.
Will Govt always intervene so Housing Market doesn’t collapse in order to protect itself? Like having moratoriums to protect buyers so Banks can’t do foreclosures. Will we have truly open market where price discovery happens naturally? Prices have been coming down in certain areas but stabilized in many areas. They are not going up like COVID time. But still sky high. Unless we have huge supply, how can we have major correction there?
In stock markets, we have seen dramatic corrections because no protections. But is Govt protecting Real Estate Market indirectly?
I am genuinely asking. Not trying to make any theories or have any agenda.
Is the taxpayer liable for mortgage losses in excess of the government’s capital already invested in Fannie and Freddie?
kramartini
Yes. Fannie and Freddie are corporations that have been in “conservatorship” of the government since the Financial Crisis, and the government runs them and explicitly guarantees their mortgages. They pay nearly all their income from fees (borrower pays) to the Treasury (revenues for the Treasury). In good times, their income from fees flows from the GSEs to the Treasury, lots of cash. So they don’t have much capital because the government took it all. When mortgages go bad, the government reverses the flow of cash from the Treasury to them.
Ginnie Mae, the VA, the FHA, etc. are outright government agencies and are part of the government. They also make money on mortgages by charging fees (borrower pays), and in bad times, the cash flow reverses from the Treasury to these agencies, and they pay investors for the bad mortgages. That has always been that way.
I re-published a great article about Fannie and Freddie and the issues of re-privatizing them. The authors did a much better job than I could have explaining what they do, what risks they’re taking on for the taxpayer, and how the government should be compensated for these risks if Fannie and Freddie are privatized:
“Not Another Free Lunch: Don’t Let Fannie and Freddie Turn Back into GSEs”
https://wolfstreet.com/2025/04/01/not-another-free-lunch-dont-let-fannie-and-freddie-turn-back-into-gses/
Sandeep, I believe the answer to your question is yes — the government is protecting (insuring?) the real estate market. It’s essentially a political act of self-preservation from what I can see.
I thought I saw the F&F were going private again
joedidee
Read this article:
“Not Another Free Lunch: Don’t Let Fannie and Freddie Turn Back into GSEs”
https://wolfstreet.com/2025/04/01/not-another-free-lunch-dont-let-fannie-and-freddie-turn-back-into-gses/
If market interest rates increase and a bank is holding lots of these MBS (Are they, I don’t know..????) then they are in the same position with regard to their balance sheet as with any other bank that holds large amounts of long dated bonds – they are in trouble.
Just SVB with a little different cause.
GoldenDragon–
Correct, but that’s not a credit issue with respect to MBSs, that’s a duration issue which affects (as you point out) all long-dated bonds.
This actually gives the Government many options in helping the housing market stay stable.
So if the economy crashes and to keep housing from experiencing too many foreclosures:
-The Government could do a forbearances on payments until the economy recovers
– The Government could become the owner of the home if the the mortgage is late and let the owner become a renter.
– They could reduce the principle based on income to reduce future payments.
Having a home go into foreclosure is never good. I costs the lender income plus the home is devalued as it sits empty. Or maybe you get disgruntle homeowners who trash the home. It would be best for the Government to keep people in the home. A forbearance, principle reduction, or turning the owner into a renter or rent to re-own is less costly than a foreclosure typically.
No. Most of MBS is agency backed and a lot trading below par. Defaults improve returns.
Thanks Wolf for this article!
Especially amid this recent bond market volatility (as you mentioned in the article).
I greatly appreciate the background/analysis/thoughts you bring to these various financial dynamics.
These “one-off” types of articles (in addition to your more regular updates on Inflation, Fed Rates/Policy, Housing Markets, Retail Sales, etc) are why I regularly & gladly donate to your excellent work & efforts…
Thank you!!
There are so many factors driving home prices that it’s almost impossible to sort them all out. Examples:
1. The 2027 tax bill reduced the advantage of home ownership by eliminating the SALT deduction.
2. The pandemic encourage home purchases at higher prices with the artificially low interest rates.
3. The end of the pandemic led to higher mortgage rates and created a locked in affect for those with 3.5% mortgages. This resulted in a shortage of listings, and hence higher prices.
4. The end of the pandemic, and end of WFH mandates resulted in workers having to contend with the long commutes instead of no commutes which were tolerable during the pandemic but no longer were.
5. The traffic jams in our big cities, especially here in the Swamp, following the end of the pandemic have left a lot of people moving back to the cities to be closer to their employment.
6. Falling crime rates, and getting rid of homeless tents all over the city has definitely affected the Real Estate here in the Swamp.
Trying to sort out all of these factors is practically impossible when trying to make a short term profit on a home purchase. The Best thing to do is invest for the long term and ignore all these fluctuations.
I like your charts, but the mortgage spreads usually seem to indicate finanancial stress and not Fed policy, at least for now, without rescue measures.
So it’s not a surprise the spreads widened during this tariff war.
I will watch the development closely, the stock market, the longer term rates, the USD index (DXY), the trade deficit, debt/GDP.
It’s all a big red flag.
Price of Gold is also a big red flag.
Yes. Gold is up a lot. Luckily I am invested in gold.
Usually the USD is seen as a safe haven like gold, but this time the market went down and the USD index went down. That’s a change.
You can remove your “financial stress” theory from your worry list. There is near-zero stress in the mortgage market. Most of the mortgages are guaranteed by the government. These MBS are as good as Treasury securities (but they’re more hassle for holders because they constantly pay out these passthrough principal payments which cause your holdings to shrink, unlike Treasuries, where you get your money back only when they mature).
re: “Most of the mortgages are guaranteed by the government.”
As predicted in May 1980: “One of the principal purposes of the DIDMCA was to provide the housing industry with a reliable source of funds.
That may be achieved through various governmental and quasi-governmental corporations (according to Henry M. Paulson, eventually ½ of all residential mortgages were owned or guaranteed by the GSEs, FNMA and GNMA, or “a stunning $4.4 trillion worth at the time”).
But the role of the S&Ls in housing finance will probably diminish significantly.”
Even worse: you get bigger passthrough payments when rates are lowest, and your payments slow to a trickle when rates move up. Just the opposite of when you’d like to get money back to reinvest.
This uncertainty is one reason that mortgages yield more than treasury securities.
I can’t see it clearly, but it looks like bigger spikes started in 2008, 2021 and 2022/23, even in 1987. At least some of them during problematic times.
Even if mortgages are guaranteed, rates on the 30Y can go up when higher rates are expected in the future. When there is a perceived long term risk, rates should rise more on the long end.
1987 was a peculiar one — the 10 year treasury rose from mid 6% yield to nearly 10% in the first part of the year. In October the stock market finally dropped over 25% in a week (a WEEK!!), and treasuries rallied. Now THAT’S volatility!
Such was the volatility as interest rates ground ever-lower from the 1981 peak. Now we are living in a rising rate super cycle where rates are grinding higher….
Never been a downswing without money flows falling.
Hi Wolf- Thanks for the charts. My main view is that Wall Street does not adequately recognize the likelihood and magnitude of future inflation. Nor does the Federal Reserve. So with the debt ceiling currently unresolved now, the US Treasury’s cash account has been drained. I expect when the debt ceiling is lifted, there will be a 3-4 month period where more than ONE TRILLION of new federal debt will be issued. Also, the impact of likely federal tax cut extension and other Trump tax follies will become law. So the path to 44-46 Trillion federal debt mountain will be law. Meanwhile SS is looking to run short in about 6-7 years. And tariffs will drain significant liquidity from consumers by Xmas. So I sense that the 10 year Treasury has no where to go but up, perhaps to 5% sometime within a year or two. As the twin bubbles of the equity market and the housing market deflate, and a new Treasury chairman is selected in 2026, volatility in long term rates looks likely, trending upward. Conclusion: Wall Street underestimates the upward trend in long term treasury rates. A sagging dollar has already become evident in FX reality.
The issue is how much debt the American colossus can ultimately sustain.
My guess is $100 trillion is the ultimate limit.
$100 trillion dollars would be a little worse than the current debt-to-GNP ratio Japan has, and Japan isn’t capsizing yet. For that reason, expect nothing to do be done about the debt until the year 2035. They say 2028 is the last year a Republican government can be elected due to demographic (nonwhite) changes. That means it’s up to the Democrats, who are known for their lavish spending ways, to rein themselves in…
I’m not sure I agree that Democrats are the only party that spend lavishly. Republicans have been lavishly spending for many years now.
Millions of Hispanic immigrants do — and will, in greater numbers — vote Republican. The idea that Rs will stop winning elections based on race demographics is simply racism, because it assumed you know how someone will vote based on their race or ethnicity.
Agree, like totally!!!
Was blessed to get very clear lessons in Bahamas and FL to help me understand that intelligence and ability had absolutely nothing to do with skin color, and then majorly confirmed when apt neighbor, a really and truly black person was full prof of math at what was at the time the best public University in USA.
While not any fan of the current POTUS, IMO,
ALL people of color will come to understand why they should not vote for the party wanting to continue to ”keep them on the reservation” rather than empowering ALL folks to succeed equally based on fair and equal opportunity and merit.
Merit was and should always be the basis for advancement, just as it was for all my immigrant ancestors… we can hope…
There hasnt been much difference in the Rs or the Ds in a long time anyway, thats why the term uniparty exists. Unfortunately, to the detriment of our country, they are both shameless dollar debasers. The Democrats of not too long ago were a lot more conservative than today’s Republicans.
The demographics is destiny crowd overplayed their hand. Keep in mind Trump won the popular vote and the electoral college. Something that wasn’t done for decades. He didn’t do that with only white people. He did it by swaying Hispanics in large numbers, and chipping away at the near monolithic black vote.
Racial identity politics is over. Latino men majority voted for Trump, and a sizable minority of black men also did, more than a third. There is much much less discrimination on the basis of race than there was 50 years ago, and 3rd and 4th generation immigrants from Latin America in particular don’t see themselves as anything other than American, which is what has happened with every immigrant group in 3-4 generations, it’s just that some people don’t read or understand history and think people of a specific nationality or race will always vote in a particular way.
Almost 80% of Mexicans are Catholic, and they do NOT like the anti-religious, seemingly satanic hard left.
I’ve had a few conversations with people asking why Trump hasn’t brought down mortgage rates yet. So many Americans have no clue how the economy works.
Anyone who automatically assumes that low mortgage rates are good has little clue of how our economy works,
He’s been too busy bringing down the price of eggs!
I’ve had similar discussions about all kinds of prices, including rates. Many think the president has direct influence, and the blame whoever is in office for not “fixing it”.
…many ‘Muricans, for some years now, firmly-carry the mental construct of the Presidency as an elected, non-Constitutional, possibly-supreme monarch (one might hazard including the SCOTUS and the office’s current occupant in that number. Too-many hours of preschool viewing Disney versions of government being heroically-conducted by ‘good’ (and ‘beautiful’)-royalty, perhaps? (It’s been a long time since a ‘Johnny Tremaine’ or ‘The Swamp Fox’ young folks production…)).
may we all find a better day.
“…..remember his name, he fought against the Crown.” And “From the immortal pen of James Fenimore Cooper…..”
Hell, I even watched “The Big Picture”……just to see all the latest war gear…and of course, “Victory at Sea”…..drew many missiles in class, even sent to Cape Canaveral and got big manilla envelope full of rocket pictures, free. (Didn’t tell us about “friendly fire”, and “collateral damage”)….so we played war for hours with dirt clods (that could draw forehead blood…Central Valley, sun baked crust with powder under it for movie like bullet effect) and dug BIG deep trenches WW1 style…..for hours. No entrepreneur ever figured out how to monetize that…weren’t really on their game as far as kids then, except candy, and must have stuff like slinky and hula-hoop, etc. Slinkys were all eventually stretched, and hula hoops cut up to lite on fire and fire bomb anthills…..or a slow yellow jacket in the low grass on a hot day. But you are right about the nationalism….even though laws/lobbyists were allowing the corps to gut us……slow at first (to many still prime age WW2 vets around WITH their Garands that were VERY good at killing?…guess it was MUCH easier to bring weapons home than it was for us….knowing a Navy guy helped.) Then it really speeded up. Leading Senators and other Gov’t, Military, and Corp bigshots were impressed that I could ID so many missiles, and aircraft at my age. (Lobbyist uncle’s pals I have mentioned before…all got rich on that blood money….offspring still are.)
“The Patriot”, a POOR “Swamp Fox” copy by a moron was ALMOST as bad as his religious snuff film. Times and people change. Enjoy your comments and some others, too. You’ll never get this…but it’s what I would have said…..
Take care brother dustoff.
PS: always played germans/japs vs Americans…Never Capitalist or America vs Commies, which was the programming we got on TV and at school, too…..
I’ve wanting to know when and how Trump will lower the price of gold.
He’s already lowered the prices of stocks.
As some have observed, the prices of the 10-year treasury appear to be going down in a potentially long term trend.
Gold prices will be lowered if there’s an actual recession, and possibly without that, if the DXY turns around, or the yield on that 10-yr bond is at 5%+
He could possibly get it lower by selling US gold and buying up a “crypto reserve”?
OH, or just have a stable currency and economy. That usually works too.
How many times does this need repeating?Half of all your fellow citizens have an IQ less than 100.
As more of these pandemic mortgages at 3% fall off the books, and 7% and up become the norm, I can see the spread widening because of supply and demand..
Let’s hope they can get inflation under control! Not looking good.
Beware the Feddyguvs my son,
The rates that suck with no inflation cap,
Beware the Dogiebird and shun,
The gloomious Gingersnap!
The President wants lower rates and to hell with the data. Private money knowes this is ludicrous and will lead to inflation.
There is no certainty with the FED. I would guess he will lower rates and again buy more MBS. This could only lead to massive inflation for the US in the long run.
It seems he must want to kill the value of the dollar with all the trade and rate bs.
Oh wait – everything may change in the morning!
Please keep in mind that housing costs were a major source of inflation during the aftermath of the pandemic when the Fed slashed rates to zero and bought MBS to control the long end of the curve.
When the Fed hiked rates to conquer inflation, their aim was to break the housing market or the labor market, or both.
I have confidence in the Fed to navigate almost anything that they encounter. POTUS is their, nay our, biggest threat. If someone isn’t reacting to the market with targeted responses, then the volatility we see today is nothing compared to what we will experience when we careen towards that cliff.
Our biggest threat, by an order of magnitude, is our national debt. It will outlast whomever is currently in charge and the next several as well.
And we *will *pay for it, in all kinds of ways, which we should, because we’re responsible for it, but it was totally unnecessary to create yet another debt problem, which history has shown many times to be wrong, in the first place.
How are you going to get inflation under control when the deficit is 36 trillion, but in reality a lot larger if you include social security and Medicare money owed?
@Andrew — total treasury debt outstanding is $36T but the deficit is not — it’s in the single trillions, Wolf has a bunch of articles on the exact figures.
Federal debt outstanding is like a 30 year mortgage with a say $500k principal balance. You don’t pay that entire sum every year. You pay interest and part of the 500k every year for 30 years. The gov pays ONLY interest and then eventually needs to repay the principal when due. But they have a lot of time to do this AND usually just replace (think “refinance”) that principal with new debt before it’s due.
“Deficit” means revenues (eg from tax collection) minus expenditures. If that number is negative, the gov has a deficit and needs to borrow, eg sell new bonds, to plug the hole.
What matters is not the deficit itself, meaning the nominal amount, but deficit in the context of the overall economy, deficit as a % of tax revenues and/or if the deficit itself grows faster than the government’s ability to service (pay interest) on the principle outstanding among other things. Wolf has excellent detailed coverage of these subjects that really helped me grasp these data and concepts.
Hope this helps.
There is no credible plan or likelyhood that 37 Trillion in Federal debt will ever be repaid like a mortgage. The plan for many decades now is for it to be rolled forward and to grow…forever, with forever defined as “after the end of my term”.
The theory is that if the economy can grow faster than the debt and if service costs can be “controlled”, everything is fine. Maybe it’s even true.
But how is the growth in the economy measured ? By GDP and is that equivalent to a growth in my income used to service by personal debts ? No it’s not.
Federal debt is serviced by it’s income in the form of tax revenues. For the last 16 years, has federal income kept up with the growth of debt and debt service costs ? And ask for the supposed evils of the current tax rules, which simply must not be extended, I’m not sure that the federal take as a % of national income is significantly lower or higher than the trend line of the last many decades ( https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=1DTZx ) – the graph seems to indicate it tracking in a pretty stable channel.
I’m not so sanguine about the sustainability of national debt especially as that sustainability rests on foreign buyers and that foreign demand rests on our Reserve Currency privilege which we increasingly abuse.
But USD is a very big ship, we can go on for years longer still before any real evidence appears that it is actually sinking. 6% or 7% per year deficits would not be sustainable even if we had an economy that was growing in ppp terms at a healthy clip.
Inflationary deleveraging is term you’re seeking. Manage inflation at elevated levels while limiting deficits. Ultimately, results in a lower debt-to-GDP ratio.
Core CPE running well above 2% for a half decade now. Fed is doing it’s part. Current administration forecast to run higher deficits and higher inflation; not sure if they are in alignment, but hope they will align. Don’t care whether it’s through choice or chance.
The answer to the “last 16 years” question, we’re letting ignorant politicians decide that no, the revenue isnt enough, because if you let the revenue handle it, interest rates go higher than the political donors want. Revenue would be enough if they would let revenue handle it and not debase the currency to suppress rates because they’d have to stop overspending. The recent QT is good, hopefully it keeps going.
Nice post.
The only thing I might add is that there are “hypotheses” floating around in financial recesses of the I-Net that, in the context you address, there are two complicating factors:
– current interest rates are too high in that
– treasury moves to reposition deficit re-securitization to a larger amount of short-term notes and bills by Yellen a year or two ago that come due this year may not be manageable, possibly leading to a debt spiral. I’ve tried to run the numbers down, including gov’t sources, but the estimates run anywhere from $3 to $9 trillion.
Not my area of expertise so I cannot qualify the validity of this argument.
Many pundits are also “predicting” that the inevitable recession will finally descend in 2025. This likely sets up a STAGFLATION scenario that conflicts the Fed’s two primary goals (price stability, employment).
The argument is that Bessent/Trump actually want a recession that forces lower interest rates facilitating paydown/refinancing at lower rates THIS YEAR while increased growth (higher revenues) occurs down the road due to reduced regulation, better trade terms, large private capital investment in re-industrialization, etc. – the so called new Golden Age.
Lot of big dice being rolled in all of this – by all players. Uncertainty reigns supreme.
“This likely sets up a STAGFLATION scenario that conflicts the Fed’s two primary goals (price stability, employment).”
Please Please Please BE CLEAR that the Fed’s ONLY goal is to protect the Banksters…
Anything else is just BS,,, brought forward by the Banksters..
This fact has been proven over and over while the Fed has protected the banksters at the expense of the workers and savers whose ”money” has been and continues to be degraded.
To think otherwise is akin to sticking your head in the sand so you don’t see the damage to the USD since 1913, SO clearly reported by the official GUVMINT BLS inflation calculator…
VVN
“SO clearly reported by the official GUVMINT BLS inflation calculator…”
…and even more so by the value of gold to the dollar
Easy if the supply chain of goods was beyond the public ability to purchase. Inflation is caused by the lack of goods on the open public market. Those private producers of goods don’t want to sit on their product and services. Their is a lack of return that hinders the motive to produce. So, sales compared to available product and the cost to produce is a loss. Better to sell at a lower price to reduce inventory.
The Government, including the Federal Reserve do play a role, as they have since eternity, lol. As the borrower of last resort. Many claim the Federal budget and Federal Reserve should stop the supposed expansion, but every time the U.S. has a downturn of public assets, including employment and natural disaster, pandemic is a reference, the public expects the Federal Government and Federal Reserve to step in with additional services and goods, dollars to be blount.
…the winner of the race to the bottom will be the ‘just in time’ delta over systems redundancy. The headline might read: “…Who Knew?”.
may we all find a better day.
“Inflation is caused by the lack of goods on the open public market.”
OR
Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon. – Dr. Hanke
I’m not an absolutist in many things. I tend to believe there are fiscal and monetary forces at work. The 2022 inflation was seemingly a combination: monetary excess meeting pent up demand vs. constrained supply and production.
The “economy” is a vast network of humans behaving: most in the “normal ways” and some badly.
The disparity of wealth seems to flow away from those behaving normally (as the “normal” things involve the basic needs for most of the world). This is why the “Biblical economy” involved a regular reset (50 year jubilee).
Having a reset imposed curtails the bad behavior of the previous generation. In nature, this reset is described as recession or depression. Since these are painful, they have been labeled bad, and deemed unnecessary… by the people who want to keep behaving badly?
No, the public doesn’t expect that, that’s propaganda. It’s all the corps, big banks, wall street, hedge fund gamblers, people that took out too much debt that want more money and their msm fear mongering nonsense.
“Inflation is caused by the lack of goods on the open public market.”
… BS. The US economy is an economy of gluts, everywhere always. Shelves are full. Ecommerce has unlimited supply over nearly everything. Car lots are full of cars. The shortages we had during pandemic were a rare exception. The US economy functions on gluts, not shortages. Marketing and advertising are used to sell and pump up prices. Higher incomes supply the fuel for higher prices.
As a first time home buyer in the mid 1970s with a 10.something 30 year mortgage rate, I don’t recall that housing prices were quite as dramatic as they are now. Could be that age has made the “good old days” better than they actually were. ;-). We also walked to school in blizzards, uphill both ways.
Is there an historical chart like your mortgage rate chart that would also show the the average residential selling price over the same time frame?
Or would that be meaningless? Just an old guy thinking about “the good old days” with a smile.
it was the good all days, house priced income was in line around 3X. Now it’s over five so you are correct houses were much cheaper relative to income.
The recession of the 2006 reduced many homeowners from their homes. Some 2.5 million were repossessed and not available for resale, that’s what caused the Federal Reserve to step in, and the Federal Government to guarantee most mortgages today. It wasn’t until 2018, approximately that new housing across the U.S. attained the same total dollar sales pre-recession. That imposed a restricted inventory of available owner occupied and new homes for sale. Some areas of the U.S. have not recovered new home building to this day.
In Canada, bizarrely, housing starts peaked in the 1970s — when the country had something like half its current population and when households were larger.
That’s a recipe for predictable trouble where housing is concerned. Carney claims he is going to do something about it — I sure hope so, because the current trajectory is very bad for social cohesion …
I do remember well that mortgage rates reached as high as 18.x% in the early 1980s.
I remember that too, having one over 18%! Today’s rates are much more tolerable.
Are we safe regulatory wise from another CDO debacle? Is it possible something could happen that allows banks to issue loans it shouldn’t because it can simply transfer risk? I always assume any law can be undone and sometimes even laws can be ignored if the administration decides it won’t pursue enforcing them.
Glen – our nation has always LOVED saying, lobbying, and acting on the homily of: “…there oughta be a law…”. The constant enforcement and thoughtful review of those, and the sunsetting of obsolete/poorly-crafted ones, not so much. The sheer resultant mass may be a factor in a growing disrespect for law in general among the polity…
may we all find a better day.
Glen, I think the oversight you are asking about is the role of bank examiners — much depends upon their competence.
I don’t understand how the housing market is still standing in a lot of places. Or the stock market for that matter.
All of the factors point towards what should be a down market. Instead, everything just keeps going up or trading sideways like the market is waiting for a black swan event to finally end the good times.
Wealth has to flow somewhere and with so much of it concentrated it isn’t like it is spent. Multimillionaires and beyond can probably live off dividends and interest and never touch wealth. Recessions, which is unlikely, tends to further concentrate wealth. Rich people obviously dont want to lose money but they are hardly the ones to suffer. They just buy in and when it goes back up they have more.
This. That Gary Stevenson guy over in not-so-Jolly-old England has some sharpish things to say about inequality, wealth concentration, asset prices, and working class immiseration.
Link: “Changes in Wealth and the Velocity of Money”
I think, it’s cronyism, money printing, interest rate suppression, unfree markets that concentrate wealth. Recessions are a great thing to redistribute the wealth more fairly if the govt doesnt meddle from then on.
Real house prices are falling, quite rapidly in some markets.
But nominal house prices are very sticky because people are psychologically resistant to selling at below what they paid, even if doing so would make sense in many ways.
The result is that, absent a forced deleveraging event like the financial crisis, housing markets will tend to trend sideways in nominal dollars as they fall in real dollars.
Wolf — do you know the total $ amount of MBS outstanding ?
$9.3 trillion government guaranteed (including the Fed’s holdings)
$0.5 trillion private label MBS (not government guaranteed).
About $4 trillion in mortgages are held directly (not securitized) by banks, credit unions, and thrifts.
BobE,
The taxpayer doesn’t pay for the “overhead” of owning a mortgage, the borrower does as part of getting the loan through fees and the interest rate. The GSEs also collect a fee for the taxpayer guarantee. The taxpayer only pays if a mortgage defaults and the loan balance can’t be fully recovered in the foreclosure process. Even then, the fees collected to provide the guarantee will protect taxpayers unless losses exceed certain levels.
As for your low interest loan, you need to remember it was packaged into MBS at equally low rates when you took out the mortgage. The GSEs are well aware of the cost structure and price the loans accordingly based on prevailing interest rates at the time. It is the purchasers of that low interest MBS who will have seen a decline in the market value of their investment due to rising interest rates. They can, of course, hold to maturity and be paid the full par value.
Rojogrande,
I agree that Fannie and Freddie are not currently taking taxpayer funds to pay interest on MBS and to service the mortgages it owns The GSEs are making a profit. As what happened in 2008, this could change quickly if house prices fall significantly. The GSEs are taxpayer backed now so massive defaults will just raise the national debt and not cause a bank meltdown like 2008.
However, like any private company, if the company is relying on the majority of its income from past products while inflation causes expenses to rise, the company must generate new income on new products to survive.
Are there enough new mortgages to balance “deadbeat” older sub-3% existing mortgages the GSEs hold to balance rising costs?
It can’t be cheap for a US government GSE like Fannie, Freddie, FHA….. to own a mortgage. They need to hire private loan servicers to collect payments and generate monthly and yearly tax statements. They are also paying MBS holders a monthly interest payment. They also need teams of lawyers and collection people to handle the people who refuse to pay. I’m sure foreclosures processes aren’t cheap. Good thing foreclosures are currently low as Wolf pointed out since most people would just sell the house for a profit. However, if the house has burned, blown, or flooded down, can insurance companies still cover the mortgage? What if there is a foreclosure? Do the GSEs also have teams of people ready to take more taxpayer losses on an underwater asset?
My point is that there is tremendous overhead with owning a mortgage. Much more than a stock fund. The taxpayers are paying for this overhead. I think about this as I pay my decreasing $200/month interest payments to Freddie via my loan servicer. What is the effective interest rate Freddie is earning on my sub 3% loan? My guess is it possibly negative with all of the overhead and MBS interest payments to holders.
I can understand why the US government wants to dump the GSEs and get out of the taxpayer backed home loan business. Would this mean the taxpayers are off the hook if the housing market does crash and there are more foreclosures?
In the meantime, I’ll keep paying my $200/month interest payments to Freddie (the taxpayers) while earning $300/month in TBills (the taxpayers) and paying back $50/month for Federal Taxes(the taxpayers). I’m currently up $50 from the taxpayer. How long before the taxpayer grows tired of losing $50+/month for the next 25 years and comes after me?
My additional comment. (I always have one.)
If Fannie, Freddie, and FHA are privatized, mortgage rates/mortgage fees/mortgage insurance will likely go up raising the cost of housing.
Back in 2007/2008, mortgage rates were between 6 and 7%. Very close to where they are now. That was obviously not enough since when home prices crashed in 2008, private bank mortgage lenders failed and had to be bailed out by the taxpayers or just allowed to go bankrupt.
Any new private lenders will have to account for the risk this time so mortgage rates will likely rise.
I have been wondering about this as well- what kind of risk premium would be priced into Fannie/Freddie conventional mortgages if they become private entities again. I haven’t seen any discussion about this but it seems this could raise rates higher, right?
I predict Fannie, Freddy and FHA will be privatized precisely never.
Isn’t there a bunch of info going around about 10% of FHA loans being majorly delinquent and their employees just keep tacking the overdue payments on the end to keep things rosy?
So far most taxpayers havent noticed or cared enough because over 95% voted yes for the current situation. As time goes by more will notice the many ways we could end up paying such as asset values deflating, benefit reductions, job losses, consumer price inflation. But I’m also seeing good things like stonks correcting and lots of affordable (smaller) housing being built in my area. Mortgage rates going up doesn’t raise the cost of housing. If sellers want to sell, they have to cut prices to make payments affordable.
so an investor reaching for yield might prefer MBS? ” Foreign holdings of Agency MBS declined by 3.51% from a high of $1.188 trillion in June 2021 to $1.146 trillion in June 2022. ” Just not sure if these are foreign reserves and subject to political policy. XI recently warned Chinese billionaires not to invest in US RE, (thats a dogwhistle for buy it with both hands). I assume if you already own it that its a done deal. The US is considering a ban, but any sort of policy miscue (see tariffs) could cause an airpocket under MBS and put an impairment on the Feds balance sheet. And if you are holding MBS and mortgage rates are going higher you want to dump what you have. The mystery in this equation is why are bond yields so low, not why are MBS spreads higher? A crash in MBS and a drop in RE values would set off a cash buyers land rush (sell stocks buy homes) Good for Blackrock. Mortgage rates and home prices are positively correlated, to think otherwise is HS economics. The dip in US RE would be the buying opportunity of a lifetime, for corporations, the home going the way of the family farm in the 1930s with rates higher for longer (and then trash all the GSEs for good measure, no FHA?).
“A crash in MBS and a drop in RE values would set off a cash buyers land rush (sell stocks buy homes) Good for Blackrock.”
Huh? Why do so many go to the B-word for stuff like this? BLK has never bought SF homes (giant apartment complexes like Stuy, yes), not bought up a bunch of land or whatever. Maybe you are thinking of BlackSTONE.
“Yes, BlackRock is a real estate investment company12. They have been investing in real estate since 1981 and have deep expertise across various markets and sectors. Their focus includes building single-family rental housing and investing in multifamily properties and apartment complexes.”
“Redfin data shows that 13% of homes in Oakland were purchased by an institutional investor or business in the fourth quarter of 2021, a 16.9% increase over the year before. In San Francisco, 18% were acquired by institutional investors,” the report noted.
You might get an exogenous event like removing the SLR requirement from the bank’s Basel III’s regs. (capital against their portfolios) – in order “to improve liquidity in the Treasury market”
So the Fed is buying treasuries again. So does this mean the Fed is buying about $20B in treasuries now? Granted, it’s just started, but it will be interesting to see if there’s an measurable impact on yields. Any idea if they’re buying more on the short or long end?
Most importantly, I wonder if we’re on the verge on Sept 2019 all over again? Also, I would like to know if the Fed will ramp up MBS purchases when we hit the next recession? I’d imagine the answer to the later question will depend on the severity of the recession.
Just to make sure we’re all on the same page: The Fed has always bought Treasuries to replace maturing Treasuries. During QT, the replacements are capped and below the maturing amounts. That cap has been lowered now to $5 billion starting in April. And so the monthly replacement purchases = amount matured minus $5 billion. This causes the Treasury holdings to shrink by $5 billion a month. So what has changed is that the Fed is buying MORE Treasury securities in April than it did in March or February.
The thing to watch out for, and I will report on it when I see it: the Fed has long been talking about shifting some or all of these replacement purchases to T-bills. This would put some upward pressure on long-term yields. I’m not sure if the Fed will follow through with it, with Trump trying to fire Powell. These are soap-opera dynamics over the Fed playing out in Washington now, and it could have an impact on Fed policy decisions, such as the shift to T-bills.
Wolf,
In this article you answer a question that has always intrigued me. We purchased a house in the early 70s via contract for deed as the local Savings & Loan didn’t have money to loan. The owner had another loan and I wasn’t allowed to “assume” that loan. So gave him the same amount as payment. Later my wife and I opened IRA’s which blossomed very well. They were held thru the early 80s high interest period. When money became available, by FED sponsored MBS, we returned to the Saving & Loan. Early 80s brought a dispute in the loan percentage as interest was higher than the agreed amount so we lost $10 bucks in the dispute and I relented as they went to the original document. Later going out of business.
Per usual I write backwards. So What happened during this period was a shortage of liquidity, an increase in interest, and the FED becoming the lender of last resort? Something we will be seeing in the future?
Just an old farm boy whose had some lucky breaks in life.
Got many other questions but will wait for the time to question. Especially as I do not want to bring politics into this form.
If Powell were to be fired, which I don’t think will happen, equity futures would probably be limit down, 5 percent. It might be a 10% (or more) down day, the opposite of what occurred on Wednesday April 9. Anything is possible in THIS wacky market. My S&P lock target of 4500 might come much sooner than even I expected. It will happen, it’s just a question of when. I know the destination, I don’t know the journey.
I do agree that 10 year interest rates should be, and are likely headed higher.
One has to wonder if a small part of Trump’s strategy with raising tariffs so high on China is to give him some sort of ammunition to fire Powell. Supposedly, Trump can’t fire him over cause that relates to economic policy. However, with the scope of what Trump is trying to do along with the potential negative impacts on the economy, I could see how Trump wants a new Fed Chair to fully align with his trade goals. We shall see.
LOL…are RE agents still telling everyone it’s a good time to buy cause 30 years or 15 years rate are coming down soon? So better get in and buy that house you can barely afford if the rate comes down and definitely can’t if it doesn’t and you’re locked in and can’t refinance….
“Buy now or be priced out forever Part 2(?)”.
” … 10-year yield to spike by 114 basis points from mid-September through mid-January, even as the Fed cut by 100 basis points. This taught the Fed – but not Trump – a lesson!”
Different criteria, IMO: Trump is going by PR messaging with an extremely short time window — until the next wall of noise and distraction are deployed. Blame can always be deflected later. Systematic accountability has never worked, against that technique.
“The bond market got frazzled by the Fed’s 100-basis-points in rate cuts in late 2024 while inflation was re-accelerating, which triggered a bond selloff in late 2024 through early January, that had caused the 10-year yield to spike by 114 basis points from mid-September through mid-January, even as the Fed cut by 100 basis points. This taught the Fed – but not Trump – a lesson!
The Treasury market fears inflation more than anything, and it wants to be compensated for this expected future inflation by demanding higher yields.”
President Dunning-Kruger doesn’t need a lesson.
That was a brilliant article – thanks!
Wolf!! I have a question. Approximately 1.5 to 2 million population increase per year. We are building around 1.3 million homes (including single family and multi family homes. Assuming 3 per family, we are building more or enough than the population increase. U.S. that right?
Yes. Quite a few of us here been saying this for a while. The “housing shortage” is RE promo troll bullshit. The RE industry is up to its ears in bullshit.
Where has WolfStreet and this so articulate forum been all my life?!? Great stuff! Related to said “housing shortage BS,” here we’re talking about there being enough new housing to take care of the population increase and more some, but housing prices and rents have accelerated so significantly because there is truly a general housing shortage, to the tune of(depending on how you do the calculations) 2-7 million units like I saw explained in a Forbes article? Thanks for a clarification!
If there isn’t a housing shortage, then why are overall rents rising?
Local rents generally and over the longer term rise with local households incomes. The relationship is pretty tight. But rents generally rise a little faster than household incomes. Because landlords are going to get their cut.
Rents either stable or actually going down in the little bit of the ”hood” that the boss and I walk every day in various directions,,, so not very big bit compared to when I was biking.
Also, lately several, possibly six, vacant, and the last to rent took a while…
This in the saintly part of the TPA bay area in a very mixed hood, mixed racially and socio-economically and duration, with some in retirement in the houses they were born in,,, AS IT SHOULD BEE!!!
The nonsense about the economy always having to grow is just more propaganda from those who want to exploit workers and savers,,, as it is clearly impossible to continue without the kinds of challenges that have occurred and will continue to occur until that philosophy is ended.
WE. in this case WE The Workers who actually make stuff and do stuff,, and WE ”Savers,” can at least hope, eh?>
The math here is crude (pop gain/house starts). If you use something like household formation ranked by income compared to selling price, does the conclusion still hold?
You can just look at households to housing units, or increase in households to housing starts, and we discussed some of that here. And the results are roughly the same: housing construction has been outrunning household growth for years.
In 2024, there were 1.11 housing units per household, the highest since 2010, which had set the record in the data going back to 2000. In 2000, it was 1.09. There were only five years during the peak of the last housing bubble and bust, including 2010, that it ran higher, and that oversupply was one of the reasons for the housing bust back then.
This is all well-known, the data is there for everyone to see. I don’t know why the RE industry keeps lying about the “housing shortage.” Well, I know why: to pump up prices so that they make more money.
I and many others have a “housing shortage”.
I want to live in a nice place by the beach, but can’t find much of anything I can afford to buy.
Oh yeah, there are a few places in the $4 to 6 million dollar range that are nice, but a “little” out of my price bracket. And ad you got lower in the there still aren’t that many choices either.
Those numbers are decreasing rather fast.. projections are that the US tops out at 370 million around 2080.. that is 30 million more people over the next 55 years. Then it will decrease. That will change idlf immigration patterns change.
I know illegals don’t buy a lot of single family dwelling units, but they do buy some. They certainly put pressure on rents of multi-family dwelling units, which can keep home prices higher. The problem is we do not know how many illegals are here. Trump et al. say ten to fifteen million, most of which are not likely to be counted in census surveys. Nobody knows.
…remembering that he didn’t want non-citizens counted in the ’20-Census of his last term…(quality data can be SO hard to acquire, sometimes, as I don’t doubt Wolf would attest. Thankfully for us, he works tirelessly at a clean interpretation of what is…).
may we all find a better day.
Wolf – I’ve/we’ve said it before – bonds are as exciting as watching paint dry; as exciting as watching a plus-sized girl on the beach in a bikini. Anyway, bonds may get exciting if foreigners decide ‘we’ve had enough’ and start dumping them en masse. If that were to happen, stocks would also tank, and IRA’s, 401K’s and pensions would be in big trouble. Think it can’t happen? I bet many never saw the 2008 financial crisis coming.
For many, many years, it was said that US government bonds were absolutely the safest investment. There are three main risks with bonds – default risk, inflation risk, and interest rate risk (I know you’re well aware of this). I’m thinking that they’re a little more risky than they used to be.
The 10-year yield is way too low. That’s the problem in the bond market. It should be 5%-plus given where inflation is and may be going. There is way too much demand from foreigners for these bonds still. All this silly talk about foreigners dumping, and then they flooded the 10-year, 30-year and 20-year auctions with bids this month. It’s ridiculous.
“The 10-year yield is way too low. That’s the problem in the bond market. It should be 5%-plus given where inflation is and may be going.”
That rates on US Treasury securities remain so low is a conundrum. Assuming that the foreign demand for Treasuries is due to even lower risk-adjusted rates abroad, isn’t the underlying question: “Why are rates as low as they are in other countries?”
Just guessing here, but might it have something to do with relative trust in the inflation-fighting resolve of the Fed vis-a-vis other central banks??
Back to Elharian’s “cleanest dirty shirt” analogy, I guess. Sadly, “trust” is both squishy and extinguishable…
^^^^THIS.
Risk is not properly being priced. The Fed knows this. As the saying goes; “Full FAITH and credit”…
Interesting times.
They may be more risky than they used to be but what could possibly replace it?
The taxpayer is tired of being on the hook for all these mortgages. In a nutshell, risk will reprice eventually…
Interesting times.
It’s ridiculous that we still have generous taxpayer subsidies for RE. Generally, we are requiring a lower wealth renter population to subsidize a higher wealth home owning population.
Given the huge rise in home prices, its now hugely counterproductive and damaging to social fabric.
EXACTLY the same with the FEMA ”guarantees” for SO many properties around the usa Bobber:
Taxpayers subsidize the RE in what are clearly marginal areas, including river beds and especially coastal areas where homes should never be built, and never were before FEMA.
Prior to FEMA, to my personal experience, homes on or near the coast of FL were built for cash by rich folx and ”tarpaper shacks” were built by others, especially commercial fisherfolx, both of whom knew and expected the homes would blow away with the next hurricane, and they did…
Is the reason why banks aren’t competing on lower interest rates that it will be hard to sell them as MBS? When I say hard to sell, I mean that they would not get much profit or take a loss to sell it.
Mortgage lenders collect fees when the sell and service the mortgages. It doesn’t really matter what interest rates are. For mortgage lenders this is a big gravy train. What bothers them is the low mortgage origination volume now = lower fee income.
At what level do real interest rates become more attractive relative to other assets? Gold seems to be a better preference.
Is not some component of the excess of MBS yields over 10 year yield designed to compensate the holder for negative convexity, since the duration of the MBS will decrease if interest rates fall and borrowers prepay? In essence, the MBS holder is being paid (via the yield premium) for selling a call option to the borrower. From that perspective, could the elevated premium reflect the market’s expectation of upcoming rate cuts, despite Powell’s recent hawkish tone?
There is always some spread between the 10-year yield and mortgage rates. There are a variety of reasons for that. But the issue here is the magnitude of the spread.
If the Fed cuts rates while inflation accelerates, the 10-year yield will likely do another countermove, as it already did from Sep 15 through January 10, when the Fed cut by 100 basis points, and the 10-year yield rose by 110+ basis points.
Yes, but that’s the whole point: The yield premium of MBS substantially compressed after the Fed’s 4Q 2024 dramatic rate cut, indicating MBS holders did not need additional yield compensation for additional expected cuts.
The recent widening of the premium as the yield curve steepens hints of an expectation that the Fed will cut or the steepening will reverse, despite Powell’s hawkish tone and bearish inflation survey data.
We shall see. Thanks for the response and your great content.
Wolf,
Great article and I follow all your content. If this is true and multiple people are saying the same thing. Why experts around our President are not explaining him this fact and firing Fed chairman is not going to help lower mortgage rates? Do you think Stock market will crash as few are predicting if President fires Jpow?
Bessent already explained that to him at least once, maybe many times. Others may have too. But what Trump is playing is politics, not finance.
“This taught the Fed – but not Trump – a lesson!” – Wolf, which echoes some of my earlier comments.
I read that Trump is trashing the Fed and Powell so he can have someone to blame if the US goes into recession. This makes some sense. It is difficult to believe that Trump would completely ignore Bessent when it comes to understanding the Fed and interest rates. Trump is actually fairly intelligent and not as stupid as the media and leftists like to think.
No clicks for you!
No clicks for anybody on Wolf Street.
The mainstream thinking is that Trump is goading Powell (a man he hired) into quitting…..except of course he won’t quit, his term lasts until 2026. Fed independence is symbolic for the stability of the USA and by extension, the USD. Trump is rocking the boat, with bluster, with tariffs….but he hasn’t quite sunk it….yet. China is not taking the bait…they will not yield to the tariff gambit. Trump will need to back down.
“Fed independence is symbolic for the stability of the USA and by extension, the USD.”
Is that why Bloomberg coined this for Powell:
“Wall Street’s Head of State”
yeah, he sounds like a real man of the people.
I really doubt that Trump will back down against China.
IMO the next shoe to drop will have to do with restricting Chinese companies’ access to US financial markets.
Hopefully that includes delisting and removing all Chinese company shares from US markets and requiring US persons and companies to devest the shares.
Why in the world is the US funding companies that work for the CCP to harm the US?
GD – because they’re Capitalists, first, with a lotta rope they need to move?
may we all find a better day.
7:06 AM 4/21/2025
Dow .38,465.77 -676.46 -1.73%
S&P 500 5,181.03 -101.67 -1.92%
Nasdaq 15,879.53 -406.92 -2.50%
VIX 32.51 +2.86 9.65%
Gold 3,433.40 +105.00 3.15%
Oil 62.63 -2.05 -3.17%
Love that Gold price move.
I still think that as I have posted here before that a lot of price movements in gold is a result of ending all sorts of fancy over the counter derivative paper short bets and the COMEX becoming BASEL III compliant on 1 July this year. Physical gold is needed and not paper gold.
Add in some additional speculative demand and gold goes up.
Silver is now ridiculously cheap and priced as if manufacturing is going to fall off a cliff.
The movement in the foreign exchange markets is rather puzzling though other than the increase in the value of the yen…..
Lots of people ending their short positions and more than likely a huge movement of cash back to Japan.
Plus with the fall in the price of oil and the increase in the value of the yen, Japan’s oil import bill is falling like a rock which will result in reduced inflation in the coming months. Good news for people and the country.
What is happening with other currencies doesn’t make much sense. For example, the Australian dollar has soared against the US dollar.
As it exports mainly go to China (50% or so) it is the one country that is going to be hit hardest by any impact on China.
Furthermore, the central bank is expected to slash interest rates by around 1% over the 12 months.
Doesn’t make any economic or financial sense at all. Something strange is going on.
—“The bond market got frazzled by the Fed’s 100-basis-points in rate cuts in late 2024 while inflation was re-accelerating, which triggered a bond selloff in late 2024 through early January, that had caused the 10-year yield to spike by 114 basis points from mid-September through mid-January, even as the Fed cut by 100 basis points. This taught the Fed – but not Trump – a lesson!”—
Wolf, I wish you were able to be on all the major news networks shouting this from the rooftops.
I’m extremely worried about the Fed losing its independence from government. We desperately need more Americans to understand that the Fed lowering rates would mean higher mortgage rates.
Regarding general volatility in rates 4/21 was interesting Wolf …. 2Y -5bps and 30Y +11 bps … ZH calls it a “dramatic steeping of the curve”
O.o